Azra's Tarkus Expedition Quest

[RagingGamer]

Hey dudes. Not sure if this is the right place but I kind of want to vent and/or criticize a little. I hopped on and started playing for an hour and a half, and stupidly I didn't save but frankly It wasn't on my priorities list, max level character after all. So after a while of playing I find and get Azra on board my ship since I hadn't actually done any of her content yet and started doing her quests. Turns out, that on the Tarkus expedition quest if you don't have any spare weapons on you when you meet the Sydian Queen, and you're like me where you clean out your inventory religiously, then you get an automatic loss without warning and have to load back. Welp, there goes over an hour of progress because the game wanted me to have spare weapons when I was given absolutely no warning that I'd need one nor any other way of getting out of that situation, so I just get screwed out of a sizable amount of playtime. I'm just a *little* frustrated and would request that maybe there be a warning sign or an alternative route past that encounter so other people don't get screwed like I was.
Thanks.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

I'm pretty certain I fucked my way out of that situation actually, because I also wasn't carrying a damn thing. Although I suspect you're supposed to have a weapon drop from a random enemy that you can give them.

 

[RagingGamer]

Right, there were 2 other dialogue choices to that scenario, so there ARE alternative routes, I assume you chose the first or something and got by fine. I chose the third because I didn't like the other 2 and if you don't meet the prereqs for passing the third option, rather than allowing you to go back and choose one of the others, the game kills you. Again, it gives no indication or warning that that could happen, nor that you needed anything, nor that if you DID fight them, such an ending would occur. It never says "These are really strong enemies! What, you fought and won against the frost drake? Nah no fight for you anyway, these can just autokill you because why not lolz." You can fight through everything else but apparently you, the level 10 mega genius or whatever the fuck can't fight a couple of midgets with blasters. I'm fucking fuming that I lost so much progress to such a dumb brick wall.

 

[Karretch]

Not just "midgets with blasters", on-edge minions with plasma weapons pointed and ready to fire at the slightest provocation.

 

[RagingGamer]

And? It's not like I don't have maximum reflexes or anything :| What makes it any different from any other combat scenario with enemies with high tech weapons, like the Black Void or whatever? What makes them that much more lethal than the fucking frost wyrm, the hardest encounter in the game? It's isn't. It's REALLY dumb. Stop trying to defend it. And even if they were for SOME reason that lethal, it was still fucking stupid that you weren't allowed to choose a different option once you find out you needed something you didn't have. The ONLY option it gives you is to fight, which is auto death. Are you going to defend that too? Look, I don't mean to be a total douche but when I play a hentai game to de-stress, I don't expect to end up more stressed than I started. I'm just mad that I lost a bunch of stuff. I seriously think that encounter needs to be tweaked.

 

[null_blank]

I'm still trying to figure out what you're going on about. I can't even remember that fight.

Also, you lost to "hobos with shotguns".

It's something of a blind spot in modern game design. A big-ass dragon has to be balanced so it doesn't decimate the player in one turn. A hobo with a shotgun is a low-level enemy: it's balance is that by itself it basically harmless to all but the lowest level characters. What happens when the game sends hundreds of them at you at once in a turn based combat game?

Total party kill.

True story, it happened in a game of Shadowrun we had a few years back.

 

[RagingGamer]

"I can't even remember that fight. -> I'm still trying to figure out what you're going on about."
You answered your own question.
"What happens when the game sends hundreds of them at you at once in a turn based combat game?"
TiTS generally sends packs of 3 at you at most. Though I vaguely remember an encounter where there may have been more. Regardless, there were a total of 5 enemies there, 1 of which didn't have a gun. So 1 more enemy than usual that mattered, but only 2 more that you'd have to fight in a normal encounter. Big whoop. Not like I've fought and utterly decimated all of those groups of high tech pirates or anything... Apparently a bunch of rats on a backward world with what should be the equivalent of a space crossbow insta kills me because reasons. Yeah, you're really convincing me. And yes, I'm familiar with action economy, I'm a heavy dnder. The resident rules lawyer/know it all no less.
I still don't understand why this is being defended.

 

[null_blank]

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I always find it interesting when people have problems with fights so unremarkable I can't even remember them. Now I have to roll up a new character to see what's up with this.

 

[Karretch]

null_blank has it right. Doesn't matter if you have super-human reflexes, the numbers are against you and the situation is not in your favor.

 

[RagingGamer]

And I've already explained why that line of thinking doesn't work. Whatever, I got back all my progress so I don't care to argue over stupid shit any more so let's just leave it at that and agree to disagree :/

 

[herpaderphurr]

Unfortunately, TiTS is fraught with bad ends in quests. There are a ton of quest enemies which are both difficult and, if you lose to them, game-ending. To be honest, you've really got to be saving before embarking on each one.

You should be saving constantly all the time to be honest. There are so many situations where one misstep can lock you out of good content, forever.

 

[Libelous]

You should be saving constantly all the time to be honest. There are so many situations where one misstep can lock you out of good content, forever.

Totally agree, I've had my runs of bad ends and horrible results when I started out and lost hours of progress. I've learned to save early, save often and have a range of save slots if you want to back out. The TiTs & CoC learning experience

 

[ScarletteKnight]

Seriously though, Amara had 3 guys with her and much better weapons and armor, I don't see how this is worse.

 

[sumgai]

Seriously though, Amara had 3 guys with her and much better weapons and armor, I don't see how this is worse.

It's set earlier in the game. You can trigger it before you find the second probe. Also, Kara is a probably a better fighter then Azra.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

It's set earlier in the game. You can trigger it before you find the second probe. Also, Kara is a probably a better fighter then Azra.

Only if you get Azra early on, and not after you've been to Uveto. My weapons were the same as against Amara, and I was higher level. I'll give you Kara being a better fighter though. But Lash for instance can actually shoot you more per round, likely for higher damage per shot, so the little bastards still shouldn't be able to do anything.

 

[sumgai]

Only if you get Azra early on, and not after you've been to Uveto. My weapons were the same as against Amara, and I was higher level. I'll give you Kara being a better fighter though. But Lash for instance can actually shoot you more per round, likely for higher damage per shot, so the little bastards still shouldn't be able to do anything.

These sorts of inconsistencies pop up all the time in video games. You'd think Ulfric Stormcloak, Lord Harkon or Aludin would give you an epic fight hard ass fight, but I thought the ten or so Dragur Deathlords shouting your ass as you climb to the top of the temple to the end boss were harder. Or Raiden giving up after you cream 20 Metal Gear Rays without taking a hit and there's only five left.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

These sorts of inconsistencies pop up all the time in video games. You'd think Ulfric Stormcloak, Lord Harkon or Aludin would give you an epic fight hard ass fight, but I thought the ten or so Dragur Deathlords shouting your ass as you climb to the top of the temple to the end boss were harder. Or Raiden giving up after you cream 20 Metal Gear Rays without taking a hit and there's only five left.

Yes, but Amara is one of the three hardest fights in the game so far, and these guys are average mobs. It's closer to killing a Draugr Deathlord and three other Draugr, and then having some low-level bandits think they can take you. Except you're not allowed to do anything about it.

 

[Karretch]

Problem with comparing to Amara is that you're expecting resistance the whole time during that quest, the raskvel catch you metaphorically with your pants down.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

We don't expect them to attack when we refuse to let them rob or rape us?