Your Gripes With CoC2

[Gabranth]

Corrupting Liaden just to bang her (a lesbian) as a man is silly.

You can be the manliest man to ever exist, and bang her just by choosing female pronouns. No corruption needed
Which is, I admit, also kinda silly.

About the corrupt hive path's removal (MY THOUGHTS ONLY)
Not too sad about a content dead end being removed.
Does it suck that the game has a bit less content? Yes.

Did I enjoy it, really INTERACT with it? Fuck no, it was chaotic stupid, locking yourself out of further interactions/events just for the sake of being le evil mustache twirling bad guy. (Which is what corruption feels like to me ~60% of the time)

 

[Lostname475]

Evasion as a stat feels really weak currently. Like, I have about 100 after using eviscerate and still get hit by 90% ish of attacks

 

[TalRasha]

Corruption content isn’t planned at all for characters

Which is hella strange, to say the least, for a game named Corruption of Champions 2, right?

 

[Pezantri]

Kinda makes the constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore bc her corrupted end is gone more fucked up tbh.

It's very "conversion therapy bimbofication hot for the sake of muh dick"-ish, considering the times we're in rn. Oh boy, you need to be a girl now to fuck a lesbian, big whoop.
That part of her corruption "NPC Bad end" always bothered me personally in all honesty. While I am bugged by the notion that a game about (if you choose to do it) corrupting NPCs around you for selfish merit is getting neutered left and right despite its name (to where even corruption paths of NPCs are getting rejected for being "too fucked up" when that was never the issue in the prev game), I'm fine with that bit being removed.

The 'constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore' is actually the only reasonable thing you mentioned.

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player, so I'd say it's pretty fair to stop giving the NPCs special treatment in that regard.

Or any regard really, but it wouldn't be CoC2 if NPCs didn't receive better treatment than the player.

 

[Madamisir]

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player

Uhm what? I don't remember encountering a single case of the game forcing sex upon you, except on combat defeat rape. Which, well, of course rape doesn't ask for consent. In every other instance you can say no. On my straight male characters I've never once had to gay it up. 90% of sexual content is also player initiated, most characters don't even overtly flirt with you without player input. What are you referring to specifically?

 

[orropo]

The 'constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore' is actually the only reasonable thing you mentioned.

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player, so I'd say it's pretty fair to stop giving the NPCs special treatment in that regard.

Or any regard really, but it wouldn't be CoC2 if NPCs didn't receive better treatment than the player.

you are forgetting that champ isnt a defined character that has one singular author and voice, champ literally cant be defined as straight gay or bi or any other sexuality because a lot of people are playing them, unlike the characters that are written by separate authors who decided to make their characters gay straight or bi

 

[Pezantri]

I'll be honest, it's a little funny how both of you replied to yourselves so I don't have to

 

[orropo]

I'll be honest, it's a little funny how both of you replied to yourselves so I don't have to

how? the person above me said they were mever in a situation where the game forced them to be gay and i said that you cant really expect every character to be bi because the authors who wrote them specifically wanted to write gay or straight characters

 

[Pezantri]

how? the person above me said they were mever in a situation where the game forced them to be gay and i said that you cant really expect every character to be bi because the authors who wrote them specifically wanted to write gay or straight characters

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

 

[orropo]

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

but it is, rape isnt really counted into preference, and you can easily win those, aside from literal rape theres never a "do or die" on fucking a character you dont like

 

[Tarnakus]

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

Neither of them proved your point or contradicted each other - your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.
The first one told you exactly the opposite of what you claimed -> that the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes -> which, let's be real, losing is also a player choice.
The second reasoned why the Player Character CANNOT have preferences in a game like this, which is obvious - the PC needs to be into whatever the player is -> so essentially everything - it is the player that is the "guardian" of the PC's preferences. In contrast to that, NPCs can have some preferences.

 

[Pezantri]

Neither of them proved your point or contradicted each other - your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.
The first one told you exactly the opposite of what you claimed -> that the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes -> which, let's be real, losing is also a player choice.
The second reasoned why the Player Character CANNOT have preferences in a game like this, which is obvious - the PC needs to be into whatever the player is -> so essentially everything - it is the player that is the "guardian" of the PC's preferences. In contrast to that, NPCs can have some preferences.

Use your head a little, please. 'the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes' is no different from saying 'the player's preferences are taken into account, except when they're not'.

And kindly never use the term 'bad faith' until you stop embodying it. When I said that the player's preferences aren't respected, you and orropo both tried to explain why the character played by the player can't or doesn't get to have preferences. That supports my argument, bright spark.

 

[Lostname475]

The champion doesn't have pre defined preferences. The player absolutely can.

Tbh if you keep getting defeat scenes you aren't looking for it might be a skill issue

 

[Pezantri]

but it is, rape isnt really counted into preference, and you can easily win those, aside from literal rape theres never a "do or die" on fucking a character you dont like

I'd love it if you explained why rape scenes get a pass on whether or not someone's sexual preferences are respected.

 

[orropo]

also what do you expect? if the game was specifically queer or straight with the character specifically only ever liking this this and this, first of all that would need a lot more code, second if all, why? when you as the player can control it yourself, and about explaining rape...its corrupted creatures literally using you and forcing you, even then with some(imps) you can choose how it goes, also do you hear yourself? rape gets a pass on preferences, no it doesn't, the enemies are easy because its not really about fighting, and the player literally chooses if they lose or not, and if they do lose that means they wanted to and this specific thing is what they explicitly wanted for the character

 

[orropo]

point is, you started this thing by asking why are some characters different sexualities and not attracted to champ, and why are they given such "privileges", point is most authors write whatever they want, if something is commissioned then yea theyll do that, but aside from those everything they wrote is because they themselves wanted to write it that way and no one forced them to

 

[Tarnakus]

Use your head a little, please. 'the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes' is no different from saying 'the player's preferences are taken into account, except when they're not'.

And kindly never use the term 'bad faith' until you stop embodying it. When I said that the player's preferences aren't respected, you and orropo both tried to explain why the character played by the player can't or doesn't get to have preferences. That supports my argument, bright spark.

I'm being bad faith here? When the first thing you do towards me is being condescending?
Before you misconstrue something again:

your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.

I did give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply didn't comprehend the points made.

Reading by-design non-con scenes as proof the whole game doesn't respect player choice is a bad faith take, especially if those scenes are not the main attraction and can be easily avoided by player skill.
Ignoring the basic design of the player character and the fact that it is the player who crafts the PC's sexuality, and wanting the game to define it instead, is a strange argument to even start.

 

[PenitentLiar]

Neither of them proved your point or contradicted each other - your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.
The first one told you exactly the opposite of what you claimed -> that the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes -> which, let's be real, losing is also a player choice.
The second reasoned why the Player Character CANNOT have preferences in a game like this, which is obvious - the PC needs to be into whatever the player is -> so essentially everything - it is the player that is the "guardian" of the PC's preferences. In contrast to that, NPCs can have some preferences.

Are you seriously trying to argue that your PC has preferences just because you click a button?

Ignoring the basic design of the player character and the fact that it is the player who crafts the PC's sexuality, and wanting the game to define it instead, is a strange argument to even start.

I'm sorry what? Right now it's exactly that: the game (writer) defines your personality and sexuality. If I'm playing a game, reading a book or anything I expect consistency because that's how people work - unless, that is, your character isn't yours - but in CoC2 [et similia] your character is a bimbo in one scene, a dark night in another, and a genius goody goo in yet another. Sexual preferences are even less existent because you have no way to define them at the start and there is no system that lets you slowly change them (or change them from the settings). If at the beginning I could choose to be straight but then I get raped by guys/women, I sure as hell expect my PC to have a pretty much negative reaction to that, or if I chose to be straight and then pick up gay content then I would see my PC react slowly and swing to a bi status. The game obviously doesn't take account of this and I really don't think I should expect it either because it would be a big effort I think, but at the same time give the option to the player at the beginning to disable gay content (or futa) would be nice even at the cost of losing nsfw content.

 

[PenitentLiar]

Which is hella strange, to say the least, for a game named Corruption of Champions 2, right?

Yeah, but not too unsurprising tbf given the scale of corruption-themed crap enjoyers. Also as I pointed out the game format doesn't help, you can't have a good corruption game when your PC lacks agency and your actions lack implications on the world (honey hive, ahmri etc.)

 

[Tarnakus]

Are you seriously trying to argue that your PC has preferences just because you click a button?

Yes, I do. That's exactly how any video game works - you click buttons, which results in your character doing something, and those actions create your version of the character within the finite permutations available. The actions you do not do -> do not reflect on your character - no matter how character would act during them.

I'm playing a game,

Can you give me an example of an RPG that somehow achieves this kind of consistency without railroading and hijacking your character? Video games are always co-authored stories between players and developers. Characters are NEVER truly "yours" - they always have predefined actions and available choices. Frankly, the best RPG games allow inconsistency (and punish you for it). You can be a murder hobo in one quest and a saint in another. The only judge of what your character does is you - the player - however you're always confined by the playground prepared by the developer (choices, how character acts in detail, or consequence).

If at the beginning I could choose to be straight but then I get raped by guys/women, I sure as hell expect my PC to have a pretty much negative reaction to that

Who decides the degree of that reaction? It would still be the game writer. That reaction will either match your expectations or it won't - or it'll be somewhere in between. You'd end up in exactly the same situation you're arguing against, just with additional steps. And as you yourself acknowledged, it would be difficult to develop. The idea itself isn't bad and certainly would add to the game -> however it will not fix your problem.

give the option to the player at the beginning to disable gay content (or futa) would be nice even at the cost of losing nsfw content.

Good QoL request unfortunately is way too late to implement it easily at this stage. Some characters you can turn off though.

 

[freezerburn68]

In Her Footsteps ends at Palace of Ice now. That change was made a few patches ago, specifically because enough people were unable to grok that there were multiple concurrent Main Story Quests going at once.

The Siege of Khor'minos is and has been the MSQ ever since Palace of Ice ended.

The intent was for the end of SoKM to give the next step of In Her Footsteps, which has been changed such that it will simply give you a new follow-up once it is concluded (which will be soon, since I'm in the processes of wrapping up post-quest world changes).

Nevermind this proves that I genuinely can't take this statement seriously...

 

[rkinght5]

My current gripe with CoC2 is all the trolls who popped up in the forum over the last few weeks to gripe about CoC2

 

[Ultra Chad]

This thread is about gripes. So trolls or not they are doing what the thread entails.

 

[Nino]

My current gripe with CoC2 is all the trolls who popped up in the forum over the last few weeks to gripe about CoC2

You ain't seen nothin'
Try looking at the F95zone forum
They have users literally dedicated to taking screenshots of everything that Savin and especially The Observer (they only say Tobs) ever says

 

[Savin]

You ain't seen nothin'
Try looking at the F95zone forum
They have users literally dedicated to taking screenshots of everything that Savin and especially The Observer (they only say Tobs) ever says

lmaoooooo

 

[orropo]

lmaoooooo

takes a screenshot

 

[orropo]

also for people so against all the queer stuff and yapping about how "cant a HETEROSEXUAL MAN like HETEROSEXUAL MAN things?????" you really picked coc2??? THE futa dragon furry gay game?

 

[Gabranth]

These arguments are weird and pointless.

You (the player) can't control how your Champion sees characters (depends on who wrote the scene (appearance, introduction to the character and the like)) you can however, control who your Champion bangs. You control the buttons you press.

Want your PC to be gay? Click the buttons that result in you fucking a dude

Want your PC to be straight? Click the buttons that result in you fucking a woman.

I've played this game for too many hours and done pretty much all there is and I assure you:
You're never really forced into content you don't want, you can avoid it.
Want to go sexless? You can
Want to be a slut? You can

It may not feel like it, but you have mad freedom when it comes to what fetishes and content you experience.

Apologies for the wall of text (for the poor souls who decide to read my ramblings)

 

[Lostname475]

Apologies for the wall of text (for the poor souls who decide to read my ramblings)

You call that a wall of text? Barely a fence

 

[Regardless]

Those are two completely different projects by two completely different writers. Jstar wanting to add a paw tattoo has nothing to do with Gardeford and any future plans he has for horse content.



For the record I do agree with you, but an easy solution to this that already exists is to just lock your hair growth at whatever length you want using the stylists. No hair growth = no hair growth messages.

RE the tattoo - sure, mostly I just want a horseshoe tattoo and think JStar's thought of beating an area/ quest and then a new related tattoo shows up at the store is a good idea.

I'm not assuming its part of Gardeford's plans but I hardly think adding the tatt would be detrimental either. I'm just saying its horny, hot, low effort, inoffensive & doesn't exist yet so I'd like it to.

I'd write it myself but in this context I think the only writing would be in the tattoo shop, the option of "horse shoe" and then on the appearance screen "you have a horseshoe tattoo on your "body part descriptor"". That hardly seems fair when everyone else writes a genital adjustable woman with a corruption meter and sad backstory that they burn out on over the course of 2 years as their 1st submission.