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I was wondering if we could talk to Gwyn about her mother Gwyer to help to fix their relationship.
Don't. Just don't. I did that once and she freaked out, badly.
It's going nowhere, as that story is already considered concluded by the authors, I believe.
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This isnt something the champ can fix, trusted as we are by both parties.
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Lone Wolf115
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The champ is someone thrust into the role of hero, while they may be able to help others, familial matters are a whole different demon.
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I guessed it does take time for Gwyn to get used to her mother company. It’s a start, but we’re not there
Successfully weaning Gwynn off of Daddy Garth and suppressing her outrageous Electra Complex would be the most realistic way the Champ can help in resolving that whole mess.
Even then, for all of her kind and soft nature, Gwyn can still choose to never forgive her mom for deciding to abandon them all, no matter what reasons she had.
Even then, for all of her kind and soft nature, Gwyn can still choose to never forgive her mom for deciding to abandon them all, no matter what reasons she had.
The problem with demons is that if you don't lay them to rest, then they'll haunt you for the rest of your life.
To be honest Gywn is absolutely ridiculous.. my champs always shag her if I play Herm but anything after that, gives me the creeps.. she has an unhealthy obsession with her father and either he encouraged it or the poor guy has no clue what to do. Her mother did what she had to do, not only to protect her family and to hunt down the asshole that helped tear her from her family.. at the end of the day Gywn needs to grow the fuck up and accept her mother will be the only canine in that family to warm dear daddy's bed.
I doubt Garth is even fully aware of Gwyn's Electra complex, let alone how bad it really is. We all know the main reason she doesn't like her mom is because she's jealous. Gwyn would probably hate anyone who got that close to Garth. There's no way Gwyn can get over it unless she has years of therapy, or gets a Garth look-a-like to marry her. And didn't Garth have to shut down a rumor that Garrett was the dad of her intro babies? If I'm remembering right, then I wonder what she's done to make anybody assume that? Because I doubt anyone would risk pissing off Garth or Garrett by speculating and we've seen some of her behavior.
Gweyr did nothing wrong. Except maybe child abandonment, but everyone's doing it. It's Hawkethorne's most popular parenting method.
Gweyr did nothing wrong. Except maybe child abandonment, but everyone's doing it. It's Hawkethorne's most popular parenting method.
Lone Wolf115
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I view it differently, I think a few other people to tho I'm not sure. He's the one that said you gotta go etc I know it was for her well-being but still.
IMO the only "right" thing to do would have been to have stopped Tollus before it got that bad in the first place. I called Gweyr a monster, but for what it's worth her enemies are infinitely more so if you ask me.
Lone Wolf115
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There wasn't many to to stop him and most likely other factors that we don't know about.
So what if the brainwashing stayed after stopping him they weren't the same person she did what had to be done, people die, you call her a monster but she did as she was trained she dosen't knock people down like the Champion does.
I talking about Hawkthorne’s most popular parenting strategy. And how Sander’s had no control over how his own turned out
Lone Wolf115
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Misunderstanding. He didn't even know so he didn't abandon his kid.
Sanders is definitely is the wrong. What right did he have to decide her fate so cruelly? What, because she did everyone a favour and got rid of a bunch of fucked up brats and stopped an innocent from being sacrificed.. she didn't abandon her children by choice.
It was a shit situation all around. Somehow I get the feeling that if Gweyr managed to stay, someone would've tried to shank her with her back turned.
Also, I get the feeling that if the cultist brats were the ones "put on trial", that they would not end up walking the ice.
So on the renewed Gweyr debate, I'm just gonna quote myself from an older post instead of typing essentially the same thing out. Slightly edited because my views on Sanders's actions have worsened over time
Gwyer probably isn't a great parent. But I don't think anyone in Hawkethorne is really.
I mean my main character still see's her as a monster, but understood keeping the family apart would have been the worst possible outcome.
I don't even know if this relationship ever can be fixed tbh. Gwyn takes care of children for a living. Her mother got exiled for murdering kids. Those two things don't really mix, lol
Plus the whole parental abandonment thing
Plus the whole parental abandonment thing
Lone Wolf115
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She never really got her chance to be a parent, she didn't get to see them grow and missed out on a lot of moments.
That's what I was saying earlier.
It builds character. I'm sure Gwyn turned out fine.
Same. There's just way too many issues with both women. There's not enough time to fix the problems their relationship has.
Given a few more years and Gweyr's famed persistence, who knows? They're already living under the same roof and having short, non-shouting interactions with each other, it seems like they're making good progress.
Personally I reckon they need to fight it out. Give Gwyn the opportunity to try and smack the old woman around a bit and see if that helps at all.
Personally I reckon they need to fight it out. Give Gwyn the opportunity to try and smack the old woman around a bit and see if that helps at all.
Don't think that's the best idea. This family seems to have a thing for solving problems with violence and that hasn't really gone so well.
Lone Wolf115
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I don't know about there was that one time that Gweyr chased Tullus all the way around the Marches and up into the Rift, and that worked out fine.
And the cult's continued messing with the portal was what kept it from asploding and obliterating HT. So Sanders sending Gweyr away worked out fine because she wasn't around to stop them from resetting the timer on the death bomb.