Faux Cow Transformation Status?

[BlackPick7]

Just wanted to know from any of the involved parties if the faux cow variant of the Treatment is remotely on the radar of happening. Perfectly fine if it's still on the back-back burner, just hoping I can finally have my faux cow PC.

 

[NotYouNorI]

Just wanted to know from any of the involved parties if the faux cow variant of the Treatment is remotely on the radar of happening. Perfectly fine if it's still on the back-back burner, just hoping I can finally have my faux cow PC.

This is not what the ideas section is for. Read the stickies.

 

[Preacher]

But to answer your question, the treatment already more or less turns you into a cow. I don't know if someone has done this but all you really need is a face, fur, arms, udder and probably feet mod for cowness and bob's your uncle, you've got a faux cow. You could write this yourself, TF's are relatively easy to do if they don't do too much. Anything milk related are already covered by the lactic mods in-game, except for the udders from what I've seen.

If what you produce is the only cow TF doc in the submitted thread and it's usable there's no doubt that your mod will end up in the game at some point for sale with the panda girl or somewhere on New-Texas. A quick look tells me that there aren't any submitted, then again I did only look at the first few pages. If you post an idea people more or less expect you to write it already, so get those fingers to type out your stuff before someone does it in a way that you might not like it to happen. Unless of course you didn't mean to do anything about this, in that case, shame on you! The title of this makes it look like it is an update on something already existing.

 

[Emerald]

You could write this yourself, TF's are relatively easy to do if they don't do too much.

I'm pretty sure Fen is covering the Treatment stuff. And no, full TFs are not really 'easy to do', they're actually one of the more complicated things for some people to write. And Treatment stuff is rather complex, if you didn't know.
I say leave the Treatment stuff to Fen. It's on the backburner anyways so he WILL do it sometime.

 

[Preacher]

I'm pretty sure Fen is covering the Treatment stuff. And no, full TFs are not really 'easy to do', they're actually one of the more complicated things for some people to write. And Treatment stuff is rather complex, if you didn't know.
I say leave the Treatment stuff to Fen. It's on the backburner anyways so he WILL do it sometime.

I wan't saying to modify things related to the treatment, was simply stating that he/she could possibly make a cow mod that doesn't require being treated. Then again, maybe the stuff in the treatment are the only things that fit in the cow section of TF's have no qualms about it maybe being difficult however, writing full TF's usually have a steep learning curve.

 

[Lord Lodestar]

This has always kind of nagged at me whenever anybody brings up wanting the Faux-Cow Treatment path to be implemented (and I say this as someone who is a big fan of femboy and trap types), but what do people actually want out of the Faux-Cow path?

 

[Nonesuch]

But to answer your question, the treatment already more or less turns you into a cow. I don't know if someone has done this but all you really need is a face, fur, arms, udder and probably feet mod for cowness and bob's your uncle, you've got a faux cow. You could write this yourself, TF's are relatively easy to do if they don't do too much. Anything milk related are already covered by the lactic mods in-game, except for the udders from what I've seen.

If what you produce is the only cow TF doc in the submitted thread and it's usable there's no doubt that your mod will end up in the game at some point for sale with the panda girl or somewhere on New-Texas. A quick look tells me that there aren't any submitted, then again I did only look at the first few pages. If you post an idea people more or less expect you to write it already, so get those fingers to type out your stuff before someone does it in a way that you might not like it to happen. Unless of course you didn't mean to do anything about this, in that case, shame on you! The title of this makes it look like it is an update on something already existing.

'Faux cow' here refers to the rare strain of the Treatment which turns males into sissies, a la Cameron and Peck. Not literally turning into a cow, which is the kind of thing an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about would assume.

 

[Preacher]

'Faux cow' here refers to the rare strain of the Treatment which turns males into sissies, a la Cameron and Peck. Not literally turning into a cow, which is the kind of thing an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about would assume.

Never mind then. Forget I said anything.

 

[BubbleLord]

This has always kind of nagged at me whenever anybody brings up wanting the Faux-Cow Treatment path to be implemented (and I say this as someone who is a big fan of femboy and trap types), but what do people actually want out of the Faux-Cow path?

I know I want a fem-faced, cow-eared hyper anal-elastic trap with a cock that can surpass Metal Gear for rare dom sessions.

Might just be me.

 

[Zavos]

I want a masculine treatment that dosn't bimbo or brute you out. Plus, i am not opposed to being able to powerbottom like a boss.

I'm sure this will happen eventually™.

 

[BlackPick7]

Sorry if I posted this under the wrong section but just wanted to see if maybe this variant of the treatment was still on the minds of developers.

 

[balitz Method]

This has always kind of nagged at me whenever anybody brings up wanting the Faux-Cow Treatment path to be implemented (and I say this as someone who is a big fan of femboy and trap types), but what do people actually want out of the Faux-Cow path?

That's more than likely why it ended up being saved for last and why it's been tossed onto the Eventually backburner: there's not a whole lot to it (yet) and unlike the others there isn't an obvious way for it to go. On the planet of bimbo cows and stud bulls the amazons are a mix of both and the faux cows are...what, exactly? There's no milk or bimbo/brute aspect and that's like 90% of what the Treatment is. It's like a colossal failure mutation where the person ends up as not-quite-anything with no niche on the planet.

And if it's just in effect a feminizing bovine transformation it'll be p. boring. There's a thousand and one transformation items that turn your character into a girly alien or space furry; the whole appeal of the Treatment is not just the specific fetishes but that it's a transformation item that tells an erotic story over the course of a few days. If there's nothing unique about it and it doesn't really fit into the New Texas themes people are going to be disappointed unless they just really wanted a feminine boy-cow and not much else.

Fenoxo was a fountain of ideas for the amazon variant but seems to be waiting on some inspiration to even get what the appeal and the focus of the basic faux cow is going to be.

 

[Nonesuch]

That's more than likely why it ended up being saved for last and why it's been tossed onto the Eventually backburner: there's not a whole lot to it (yet) and unlike the others there isn't an obvious way for it to go. On the planet of bimbo cows and stud bulls the amazons are a mix of both and the faux cows are...what, exactly? There's no milk or bimbo/brute aspect and that's like 90% of what the Treatment is. It's like a colossal failure mutation where the person ends up as not-quite-anything with no niche on the planet.

And if it's just in effect a feminizing bovine transformation it'll be p. boring. There's a thousand and one transformation items that turn your character into a girly alien or space furry; the whole appeal of the Treatment is not just the specific fetishes but that it's a transformation item that tells an erotic story over the course of a few days. If there's nothing unique about it and it doesn't really fit into the New Texas themes people are going to be disappointed unless they just really wanted a feminine boy-cow and not much else.

Fenoxo was a fountain of ideas for the amazon variant but seems to be waiting on some inspiration to even get what the appeal and the focus of the basic faux cow is going to be.

Usually your posts are really

Spoiler

on the bal

, but here I think you're grossly underestimating how much a permanent male-feminizing TF with submissive flavourings appeals. That's the thing in about 30% of all TFing porn on the net, it's hardly surprising people keep asking after it. From what you've put, it sounds like trappifying simply isn't your fetish and you don't understand the appeal of being a subby boi with a big dick and a sensitive anus who everybody tops and tops hard. Believe me, others do.

 

[balitz Method]

It's more that I like trapifying but don't like sissifying (and that is so frustrating when it comes to finding good content of that type). I mean I get it - the emasculation stuff is so in-your-face with that fetish that it's tough not to - but here I think there was an intention that was kind of vague and never got clarified as Treatment stuff was fleshed out.

When you start from the skeleton you've got a hyperfeminine and hypermasculine variant on a binary split (each gets one). The hyperfeminine variant on each is submissive and the hypermasculine dominant. Still clear.

Then you get to the beef. The flesh on those bones is a society centered around silly porn archetypes of bimbos and studs with the bimbos spurting milk and the studs walking around with massive boners (everything in the Fenoxo wheelhouse in other words). From there it's pretty clear what role each one fills for both fetish and function in the setting and when it comes to the masculine variant for the girls the crossed wires resulting in an aggressive cow with muscles and milk and maybe a schlong all flow very naturally. With the feminine variant for the guys the premise is now getting a bit muddled. Sure, you can make them submissive but they don't have milk or bimbo elements at all - and growing big milk jugs and bimbofying are the primary Things in the cow archetype, the way by which the submissive and docile nature of them creeps in. For as unsubtle as they are outwardly the process of the Treatment actually is something that creeps in.

So not only does it feel like, right off the bat, they'll be missing a lot of pieces of what's become the whole angle of New Texas it's not all that clear what faux cows can or would even do in their society. For oversexed pregnancy and lactation-loving cow people there doesn't seem to be any real niche for them. They can't be cows and they can't be bulls so they're just...what? Submissive little toys that aren't taken seriously? Going all in on emasculation and making the whole transformation about their uselessness as anything but a fuck-toy, focusing on a sensitive hole that can't breed and one hypermasculine trait taunting them with what they lost will get people who like that going but then there's not much to do with that when it comes to New Texas-style content, is there? Fenoxo was clearly having fun writing up a bunch of crazy new paths for amazons and cows on the latest Treatment binge but faux cows as they are now do just seem boring and basic and, most vitally, out of place with both the fetishes the Treatment's about and how they're implemented.

I mean, for all that's been said about New Texas the Treatment does make everyone pretty pleasant. With the emasculation angle you're really getting into a whole different set of porn archetypes; jerky (and not the beef kind) ones at that. Would New Texans even give faux cows enough shit about what they've become to hit the button for people with that fetish? Whenever they're mentioned now it's in an "aww, shucks; poor little fella" sort of tone. Like you'd have to change the tone of the place significantly for an emasculation variant to fit but if not that then what?

In a number of ways they feel like a creative dead end without some light bulb moment to bring them all together and figure out what they're going to be.

 

[Nonesuch]

You're fixated upon utility in a virtually post-scarcity society. The fact New Texas has contraceptive in the water supply but continue to fuck all the time should tell you how important having an economic niche is there. Also, why do you think faux-cows can't provide all the sexual functions regular bulls do? Why do you think they can't fill the liaison roles the cows predominantly have? Why, in your mind, are amazons not also figures of pity for not fitting into the dichotomy?

Really struggle with the idea they don't work, or somehow the fetish they serve doesn't fit upon a planet concerned with permanent over-sexualising TFs. Even if you think they have no stature on NT, does it matter even slightly? You write about the PC being trappified, you know what the punters generally want to hear.

 

[BlackPick7]

Usually your posts are really

Spoiler

on the bal

, but here I think you're grossly underestimating how much a permanent male-feminizing TF with submissive flavourings appeals. That's the thing in about 30% of all TFing porn on the net, it's hardly surprising people keep asking after it. From what you've put, it sounds like trappifying simply isn't your fetish and you don't understand the appeal of being a subby boi with a big dick and a sensitive anus who everybody tops and tops hard. Believe me, others do.

This is pretty much me exactly. I actually hadn't really thought about how popular this aspect really was in TF porn but you're absolutely right.

 

[balitz Method]

You're fixated upon utility in a virtually post-scarcity society. The fact New Texas has contraceptive in the water supply but continue to fuck all the time should tell you how important having an economic niche is there. Also, why do you think faux-cows can't provide all the sexual functions regular bulls do? Why do you think they can't fill the liaison roles the cows predominantly have? Why, in your mind, are amazons not also figures of pity for not fitting into the dichotomy?

Really struggle with the idea they don't work, or somehow the fetish they serve doesn't fit upon a planet concerned with permanent over-sexualising TFs. Even if you think they have no stature on NT, does it matter even slightly? You write about the PC being trappified, you know what the punters generally want to hear.

More of a social niche and how they're going to make sense within the context of the Treatment - both within the setting of New Texas and the erotic content of the transformation. With the specific fetishes it evolved around (lactation, stud-as-dominant/bimbo-as-submissive, ridiculous muscled male physiques and ridiculous curvy feminine ones) the faux cow idea just doesn't fit in anywhere. I say amazons still fit it because the way the wires cross give them bullish traits as well as some of the cow ones; you've still got your lactation and it's obvious what male Treatment features they're getting. The end result is a bull physique with tits. Both physically and socially they still fit into the whole scheme of things even if they're a little odd. The faux cow on the other hand (as it's being vaguely envisioned) doesn't actually get any of the cow features, though: no breasts, no bimbofication, no ridiculous feminine proportions. Other than the wang they don't get any bull features, either. So in the context of the Treatment: what happened, exactly? That's important to know when writing the actual transformation scenes themselves since they all have an obvious erotic theme. The archetype doesn't really make a whole lot of sense within the context of what the Treatment is supposed to do.

When you throw them into the mix of New Texas it's not clear what they're supposed to be, either. All the girls fetishize big manly bulls and their silly ultradominant porn personalities and all the boys fetishize big squishy milk tank cows and their silly untrasubmissive airhead porn personalities. Amazons, especially if they end up with a D, can easily fill the role of the bull for girls (and boys, even) so even if they're nontraditional around there they still fit into the general preferences and social order. A faux cow doesn't tick off any of those boxes for either cows -or- bulls (who there likes them, then?) to the point where they feel like a completely foreign fetish and personality type around there.

And they p. much are, really. That archetype is more the sort of thing you'd find in a specifically amazon-themed society, one where the women really get off on seeing the men looking small and pretty (but still with big tackle boxes). Zephyr even touches on that a bit and the context that she brings it up in (fantasizing about a complete inversion of what they have now) just illustrates how out of place they are. If their theme is supposed to be emasculation how did the Treatment get wired for that when it's the opposite of what it's supposed to do and does that really fit in on New Texas, a place where very few people are likely to give them a genuinely humiliating hard time about it as opposed to a gentle ribbing and maybe pity?

It's much harder to write content or even come up with ideas for them when they clash so hard with the rest of it; it's like they got written out/into a corner as the Treatment and New Texas became more realized and now they're waiting on some justification for their presence and theme to their content, something that'll work in some actual bovine aspects and determine what they are exactly as a mix of bull and cow.

 

[Nonesuch]

The end result is a bull physique with tits. Both physically and socially they still fit into the whole scheme of things even if they're a little odd.

The end result is a cow physique without tits. Both physically and socially they still fit into the whole scheme of things even if they're a little odd.

Their social niche is pleasing amazons, fortuitously of which there are an equal number. Ever done the cowmazon TF? There's a bunch of 'need to find a winsome little squealer' text in there. Both the out-and-out cowmazons on NT have an explicit thing for them. The stuff surrounding Cameron also makes it pretty clear that the bulls are also pretty fond of them. And the fact they have big dicks means that cows can also be into them! Where you see "Doesn't fit anywhere" I see "Fields pretty effectively anywhere".

Which brings me on to my next point, which is that you seem to be implying that faux cows don't already exist, because nobody could possibly envisage how they would work. Cameron and Peck are both things. Clearly neither Savin nor me are having this problem you see the writing team as having.

And so to my last point, which is that you're inventing a theoretical problem for a game you don't write for. If my tone seems snappy it's because of this: I already have written a femboy for NT, it was a piece of cake, and I don't feel he doesn't fit. Why hasn't Fen written the faux-cow TF? If I myself was going to guess, it's because trappifying isn't really his thing; if the PC isn't growing massive tits (and probably a muzzle ) he just isn't that interested. Going off the cowmazon TF, he knows exactly what he's going to be doing with the counterpart.

 

[balitz Method]

What I'm long-form getting at is that faux cows can't and don't really fit into the cow niche the way the amazons can fit into the bull niche considering they don't lactate, can't get pregnant, and don't even have the ultra-curvy cow physique. And since they don't act like cows, either (without the bimbo aspect they're just not very cow-like in their disposition) the whole idea of them as "faux cows" is currently pretty "eh".

Writing a cliche little femboy isn't a challenge. There's no need to consider how they fit into the overall theme and fetishes of the place or what actually goes into their Treatment; you're just writing something according to type and giving them cow horns. What I'm talking about is writing the actual faux cow Treatment. That's where it's necessary to actually consider those things because that's the whole theme of the Treatment transformation that the PC can go through. Amazons already existed before the amazon variant came out but the actual details still needed to be defined; writing up the lore-and-implementation part was more involved than writing an individual character where you're more or less allowed to envision them however you want and wave it off any inconsistencies as a personal quirk (even when they're BIG inconsistencies; one of Savin's was allowed to have a backstory that entirely violated New Texas lore there for a while).

And unlike the main two (which are clearly defined archetypes) and the first abnormal one (which is an clear mixing of the two) this one doesn't actually feel like a mixture on its face. It feels like a completely separate thing that has nothing to do with the rest of it. It's not impossible to find a way to tie it in and make it feel like one and not "it's brute bulls and bimbo cows and sometimes they cross over and create brutish cows and oh femboys for whatever reason", it just requires more thought is what I'm saying - more from Fenoxo specifically because he's the one who has to hash out how this is going to translate into a sensible player Treatment experience that doesn't shatter what's established. And since it doesn't directly involve the parts he likes a combo of requiring more effort and stepping out of his strike zone would make it p. natural for it to wind up last. What he has to write for them is necessarily going to be a lot more involved than what you or anyone else will.