What is the appeal of feminine men? Explain it to me.

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Since these topics have been popping up I figured I start one that's just a mystery to me. Fem-boys, cross-dressers, she-males, or whatever you want to call them. I just don't see the appeal of these types of characters to the point that I just don't get it. I'm guessing its just because I don't like gay porn in general or is it something else entirely? If it doesn't at least have a pussy and big tits then I'll pass but futanari are okay in my book. So if this is your thing then why is it?
 

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I think the most likely factor is the body type you prefer.  People aren't attracted to sexes, they're attracted to body shapes, body features, personalities, etc.  If you're not into thin or petite women, you're unlikely to be interested in femmy boys since they usually have the same sort of body type.  Someone who is for all intents and purposes a curvy well endowed woman, except that she has a penis instead of a vagina is likely to be attractive to you if you're into curvy endowed women.  It's the same principle as to why people would find drawings or statues attractive even though those things aren't capable of engaging in sexual reproduction.
 

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Since these topics have been popping up I figured I start one that's just a mystery to me. Fem-boys, cross-dressers, she-males, or whatever you want to call them. I just don't see the appeal of these types of characters to the point that I just don't get it. I'm guessing its just because I don't like gay porn in general or is it something else entirely? If it doesn't at least have a pussy and big tits then I'll pass but futanari are okay in my book. So if this is your thing then why is it?

I can tell you from my persepective they are not part of common gay porn. Mainstream gay porn may feature fem-boys in such as having lean young bodys with a feminine face, but its still primarily about asses and dicks, not about boobs, Also, from my POV I find she-males ok-ish as far as fapping is concerned as long as their dicks/asses are the thing that should be fapped about, not the boobs. As soon as its a "she" and talk about "mooma" or boobs starts they get less apealing for me; and many other guys I know. Ok, personal experience and quoting friends is not really a proof, but from what I have learned common gay men don't find she-males, cross-dressers and fem-boys interesting per se. A young boyish guy is more commonly referred as twink, but primarily its still a young guy, not a fem-boy.


That said, there may of course be gay men who are into fem-boys, cross-dressing and she-males. Yet I dont believe (backed by thar poorly proof of personal knowledge from me and other guys) that its a mainstream of primarily a gay men thing. If it gets about what gay men do to each other in sex and not about sucking milk or tit-jobs with femboys etc probably a wider range of gay men could find an appeal in it, but still, it is nor really common in gay porn.
 

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They look like girls and have all the familiar bits you're used to handling (nudge nudge)


Best of both worlds baby!
 

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I think the most likely factor is the body type you prefer.  People aren't attracted to sexes, they're attracted to body shapes, body features, personalities, etc.  If you're not into thin or petite women, you're unlikely to be interested in femmy boys since they usually have the same sort of body type.  Someone who is for all intents and purposes a curvy well endowed woman, except that she has a penis instead of a vagina is likely to be attractive to you if you're into curvy endowed women.  It's the same principle as to why people would find drawings or statues attractive even though those things aren't capable of engaging in sexual reproduction.

Basically this.  I can be attracted to pretty much any feminine figure even if it also has a giant dong attached.  It doesn't help that games like CoC have somewhat twisted my preferences.  I used to only enjoy porn that depicted women with moderate curves, but the more porn I consumed the more my horizons expanded.  Soon extreme curves and petite, almost loli-esque, figures caught my interest as well.  Then futas, shemales, fem-boys, etc.  I still don't find masculinity attractive at all and I probably never will.  I also can't stand the more extreme fetishes like scat.  But compared to how I used to be I can fap to almost anything now.
 

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Why do I love feminine boys to death? Well I'll put my opinion in as few words as I can without going off on yet another rambling... Ahem...


Because they're cute as fuck to me that's why. x3


Plus I have little attraction to manly men. Not saying I don't have an attraction to it at all, I have my exceptions. But most of the time when it comes to guys, I guess you can say I'm a bit of a gynephile with them (No I don't mean gynophile with the 'o', that means I'm attracted to only females, which I'm not. *COUGHBisexualCOUGH* Gynephiles are attracted to girls OR femininity, which can include effeminate guys, I'm attracted to the latter)... Though she-males/futa turn me off 99.9% of the time. I like girly GUYS, not straight up girls with dicks, and pretty much the moment the guy's a 'she' in any degree then I go nope, because I am not into that shit at all. >.<


And idk about you, but there's just something really fricking attractive to me about a guy who acts/dresses/looks all girly, not because he was forced to do it or anything (because then it isn't hot to me anymore and I'll instead straight up go "NOPENOPENOPENOPENO-" because fuck that noise) but all because he himself WANTS to. And that is sexy af to me. Heck just a girly face or them wearing stockings are enough for me. Lemme stop here before I make this into a full on rambling including 100 reasons (Not really that many haha) why I love femboys. lol


Also just saying this, but I don't think femboys are a thing exclusively in gay porn. I've actually seen straight furry porn with effeminate males in it as well.
 
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I like femininity, I find it attractive in women and also wish to exhibit it myself. I've honestly never found masculinity attractive, up and to including in myself. Since I get turned on by women I can only ever feel sexual myself if I feel feminine. Otherwise I just feel gross, so to me exhibiting masculinity in a sexual sense would be like having sexy diarrhea, masculinity is just the antithesis of attractiveness. 
 

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They look like girls and have all the familiar bits you're used to handling (nudge nudge)


Best of both worlds baby!

An appropriate Poison icon to go with this comment P:


I think if you find crossdressers, femboys, twinks, etc. attractive, you'd lean more towards being a bisexual individual with an attraction to femininity. It's a broad statement, but I would think this to be somewhat true (because as @Mario said, mainstream gay porn does not feature feminine men)


Hmm... as a girl, I don't necessarily find them attractive more than I find them adorable or.. like a good friend (with possible benifits). Like, my maternal instincts kick in and I just want to take care of them. My preferences, though, lean more towards neutral or masculine guys.
 
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Many females TEND to be attracted to more masculine males. To many men, those femboys are not viewed as competition but rather as "I look more manly in comparison". Occasionally, a straight "alpha" male type will target femboys with the idea that they are easier marks and that anal and/or oral sex isn't out of the question.
 

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Pshhttt. Everyone here is wrong. I can explain it very simply and straightforwardly.

I'm a femboy.
Everybody wants a piece of me.

Case closed.



Really though, I like dick, I like girls with small breasts, and I like pretty people. And femboys fit those descriptions perfectly so...

But is is worth saying gay men aren't into femboys. Gay men are usually into... Well... Men! And because a Femboy is basically a girl until you strip them off straight men tend to be into it, assuming they're okay with dick. Gay men are actually pretty commonly into cuntboys so IDK, sexuality is weird.

Oh and for reference a femboy is a guy who is expresses himself as a girl but still identifies as male. A cross-dresser is a man who identifies as a man but cross-dresses for fun or sexual reasons. And a shemale is someone born male who identifies as a woman, but hasn't had sexual reassignment surgery for whatever reason. (Also IRL call them trans-women or even better just women, shemale is a for porn term only)
 

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I like femininity, I find it attractive in women and also wish to exhibit it myself. I've honestly never found masculinity attractive, up and to including in myself. Since I get turned on by women I can only ever feel sexual myself if I feel feminine. Otherwise I just feel gross, so to me exhibiting masculinity in a sexual sense would be like having sexy diarrhea, masculinity is just the antithesis of attractiveness. 

I kinda feel as if you can find someone good-looking without being attracted to them. It sounds more like you're just disgusted by masculinity in general. Personally, I have no issue looking myself in the mirror and going "looking good, you sexy bastard" whilst still not being interested in masculine bodies and people.

(Also IRL call them trans-women or even better just women, shemale is a for porn term only)

I have a better idea, don't use it at all.
 

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(Also IRL call them trans-women or even better just women, shemale is a for porn term only)

*Cough* When I use the term 'shemale' I pretty much AM and always will be talking the porn term. Never in RL do I call people that, even I know how rude that is. I'm pretty sure everyone else who uses the word are talking in porn terms as well. >w>;
 
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I waded into this in one of these other topics but one much more general thing to reiterate first: you're not going to understand too many of these sorts of things by approaching it from that whole "where does it fit on my gay and straight paradigm" since those are exceedingly narrow views that leave out...well, most of human sexuality. That's a huge and needless barrier to put over your viewpoint that'll conceal the appeal of a good many things even when they're relevant to them.


Now, there a number of ways to approach this one.


As mentioned specific traits are the basis of attraction so regardless of anything else finding those will trigger some. With American guys in particular the gay/straight thing is so emphasized that the confusion can actually be part of the appeal for them. It's a safe "dipping my toe in" way to experience a thrilling bit of taboo homo content without actually diverging from what they already know and like. Guys who're comfortable with their healthy attraction to or even a straight-out preference for masculine things find this far less appealing and in cultures where men are more comfortable bonding with and even exploring bits of light sexuality with other men this specific appeal is far less likely to titillate - but there's actually another way to approach this line, too. Deeply paternalistic societies where women are seen as filthy/dirty have a long, long history of this sort of thing. The Pashtuns of Afghanistan, for instance, have strict rules about how any sex with women is to be handled and women in general are seen as sinful so they developed a tradition where the older men would often take feminine-looking young boys as lovers (and these boys might often act like or girls or wear feminine clothes). When those boys grow up they might then marry a daughter of their former lover or otherwise take advantage of the connection and then take a boy lover of their own. And just as in American culture there's a strong insistence that this is different from homosexuality (since that's also sinful). So while the reasoning is slightly different this specific type of simulacrum/"safe gay" appeal is actually quite common in places where sexual repression and paternalistic worship of masculinity has shaped the cultural landscape.


That brings us to emasculation. There are branches to this one, too (cuckolding and "sissies" are probs the most well-known), but the central theme here is that the enormous pressure to be masculine in societies like these can make emasculation cathartic and very arousing. The erotic focus is either on some perceived failure to be masculine or on the more general idea of femininity as the absence of masculinity. With that idea in mind someone might crossdress to relive the constant tension of some high-pressure job where the person is constantly expected to be strong (masculine) or they could phrase it as having their manliness taken away as punishment for their so-called masculine failure. For guys who often feel like failures as men (and who have internalized this idea of femininity as lacking masculinity) taking this further to the point of being "turned into a woman" by crossdressing or letting a "real man" work over their wife (or even service someone who's seen as a masculine totem in their minds) or any other sort of thing that shreds their manly pride can be both comforting and hot for them. There's also some crossover with that whole "women are sinful/dirty" thing, so when they're playacting as a woman trying to be as slutty as possible while they worship masculinity is part of the experience of escaping it temporarily. There's a thrill to being the emasculator as a way of affirming your own masculinity, too, and once again this usually isn't seen as actual homosexual behavior since the thrill is more about making another guy their bitch than feeling any attraction to them.


Guys don't always subconsciously or blatantly view femininity as something dirty/slutty or as a simple lack of masculinity (hard as that is to get away from - usually it's more in terms of degrees or as part of a distaste for masculine things in general so its "lack of masculinity" is seen as a positive), though. Being feminine can be part of their general desire for femininity - women turn them on and so does looking and acting like one. Desiring and being desired, admiring beauty and wanting to be beautiful cross over to become the same desire. As with emasculation the role reversal can be arousing, too, though for different reasons. Most men feel constant temptation so being the tempter, the object of desire, the one who's beauty and approval is treasured for a change is another thrill and fits right into the desire to be seen as feminine and therefore pretty. They might do the whole "slutty girl" (or the cute girl or any number of other archetypes) act as part of this, too, knowing that a lot of men fetishize that and would find it appealing; it heightens the thrill of being lusted after and if they're submissive the ingrained idea of men = dominant and women = submissive can make them feel more feminine when they do those kinds of things. A lot of feminine stereotypes and even the realities of women's physical and social position can play right into a submissive's fantasies (the lack of strength/power/control) and enhance the experience for them. Even an attraction to masculine features can be enhanced when someone finds the masculine/feminine sexual dynamic to be the most attractive one; wanting to be and being treated as the "girl", even in mild ways, is a p. darn common thing that can get people's engines going for any or all of these reasons.


Shifting tracks, here's an appeal that doesn't get a lot of traction in Western societies but does have strong roots elsewhere: androgyny as a beauty ideal. In the Western view androgyny is often seen as a punchline or something slightly or blatantly unsettling but it's actually very common to view it as beautiful. A number of Middle Eastern nations, China, Japan, Thailand - in their histories things like makeup, soft features, long and silky hair, wearing perfumes and oils and so on weren't seen as strictly masculine or feminine but rather something for the wealthy and the pretty. Regardless of who was wearing the fashion the traits and the primping made the wearer look stunning and the appeal here is simple to understand: since these traits are seen as universally attractive men who would be called feminine-looking by the West are either regarded as gorgeous in general or even as macho in their own culture.


As long-winded as this ended up being that's just a handful of reasons. Personally the big appeal is a hermaphroditic "yin and yang" balance of masculinity and femininity where the two individual states are transcended and the feminine guy finds a state where he's both a girl and a boy at the same time, always with the potential to fill either role but never being restricted to one or the other. For me it hits this more than actual hermaphrodites do since they're rarely "in between" - usually they're blatantly one or the other.
 

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*Cough* When I use the term 'shemale' I pretty much AM and always will be talking the porn term. Never in RL do I call people that, even I know how rude that is. I'm pretty sure everyone else who uses the word are talking in porn terms as well. >w>;

Question: Why is it suddenly okay to use it in porn, when you understand it isn't in real life? What stops you from using a less charged alternative in porn?
 

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Question: Why is it suddenly okay to use it in porn, when you understand it isn't in real life? What stops you from using a less charged alternative in porn?

Convenience?  Pre-existing tags?  The fact that characters in games, comics, and erotica aren't real and thus can't be offended by the terms used to describe them?  Clear, well-known, distinction among the myriad of body types that people may find attractive?  Accepted terms today are the slurs of tomorrow (quite literally these days).  Constantly changing the already common terms used in porn to fit the current preference of the trans community is highly impractical.
 

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To be honest literally almost everywhere I go everyone I've seen in the furry fandom uses the words 'shemale' and 'futa' and similar with characters that I figured it wouldn't really bother anyone anymore (Especially given almost every intersex character I see is tagged the slurs nowadays it's pretty much a very common occurrence in the porn fandom). I guess it's another fantasy=/= reality thing. I don't really use those words outside of porn context, hell most of the time I actually don't use them at all. Technically you'll see me use terms like 'intersexed *insert gender here*' or just simple call someone by their preferred pronouns instead, but I just figured the alternate was more... straight forward in this case? I guess? I reeaally don't know how to call it.


I took a very long time to write this alone because I was trying to word myself right, but I probably did bad anyways, since pronoun stuff can cause a shitstorm if I'm not careful so I'm kinda fearing it. >.>;

I'm gonna take it into PMs to avoid more derailing.
 

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Tacking on to what balitz said, a lot of the appeal of it for me is emasculation. Fucking a subby boi who wants to be your bitch is hot. Size difference helps too.
 

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For me it boils down to I don't find the masculine form attractive. I just don't. Its just a me thing. I'm actually a little turned off by it. That said, I do still enjoy hetro sex so having a .. if you'll pardon the vulgarity .. chick with a dick is very very hot to me. 
 

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There's a few things I've learned over the years that apply to this. Here goes.. (please read and give me feedback if you don't mind)


1. I believe that most cultures tend to define sexual orientations and body preferences rather narrowly. We teach our children that we tend to prefer certain body types and sexual orientations then strongly reinforce it. Eventually our kids will also pass that on their children. As the wheel of time spins, this leads to a narrowing of the definition of what is considered attractive for each sex. Unfortunately, it also leads to emphasizing certain sexual orientations such as heterosexual.


2. Our teachers, politicians, religious leaders, and elders in positions of authority all exacerbate the issue. What they do is state what is right and then enforce consequences. They pass laws, issue edicts, make declarations, and then declare punishments or deterrent measures for not following what they have declared. A teacher issues detention, politicians throw you in jail, religious leaders ex-communicate you, and elders can make life so difficult that you can actually die as a result.


3. Because of the above 2 problems, we also deal with pressure from our peers. I'm talking friends of the same sex and/or the same age group. We generally desire to fit in, so we oftentimes hide or consciously try to change who we are so we can "fit in". That's a survival mechanism and it served us well in the past.


Because of modern times and a strong undercurrent of change, it's become marginally acceptable to be outside of societal norms. If we shifted the focus to only teach SAFE sexual behavior and leave all preferences out of it, we wouldn't be asking "why is there an attraction to fem-boys?"


Instead, we'd be discussing when and where we're gonna hold the next "Mr. Fem" contest. We wouldn't have to ask about the attraction since we're not being swayed one way or the other and instead, it's been freely discussed and is accepted. However, getting there is another story.
 

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I kinda feel as if you can find someone good-looking without being attracted to them. It sounds more like you're just disgusted by masculinity in general. Personally, I have no issue looking myself in the mirror and going "looking good, you sexy bastard" whilst still not being interested in masculine bodies and people.

I can judge men as being handsome and whatnot, but personally yes I do find masculinity a bit gross in people I'm going to be intimate with including my own self. 
 

balitz Method

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Question: Why is it suddenly okay to use it in porn, when you understand it isn't in real life? What stops you from using a less charged alternative in porn?

Porn terms are terms of convenience. They're not really meant to refer to people so much as body types and fetishes. As simple tags for finding relevant content stuff like that is functional. The problem with it is the larger problem of porn defining people's ideas on sexuality and appropriate behavior. Much as everyone likes to think that telling reality and fantasy apart is straightforward and basic it's not actually that simple or clear cut.
 

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There's a few things I've learned over the years that apply to this. Here goes.. (please read and give me feedback if you don't mind)


1. I believe that most cultures tend to define sexual orientations and body preferences rather narrowly. We teach our children that we tend to prefer certain body types and sexual orientations then strongly reinforce it. Eventually our kids will also pass that on their children. As the wheel of time spins, this leads to a narrowing of the definition of what is considered attractive for each sex. Unfortunately, it also leads to emphasizing certain sexual orientations such as heterosexual.


2. Our teachers, politicians, religious leaders, and elders in positions of authority all exacerbate the issue. What they do is state what is right and then enforce consequences. They pass laws, issue edicts, make declarations, and then declare punishments or deterrent measures for not following what they have declared. A teacher issues detention, politicians throw you in jail, religious leaders ex-communicate you, and elders can make life so difficult that you can actually die as a result.


3. Because of the above 2 problems, we also deal with pressure from our peers. I'm talking friends of the same sex and/or the same age group. We generally desire to fit in, so we oftentimes hide or consciously try to change who we are so we can "fit in". That's a survival mechanism and it served us well in the past.


Because of modern times and a strong undercurrent of change, it's become marginally acceptable to be outside of societal norms. If we shifted the focus to only teach SAFE sexual behavior and leave all preferences out of it, we wouldn't be asking "why is there an attraction to fem-boys?"


Instead, we'd be discussing when and where we're gonna hold the next "Mr. Fem" contest. We wouldn't have to ask about the attraction since we're not being swayed one way or the other and instead, it's been freely discussed and is accepted. However, getting there is another story.

This seems to just be a rant about society enforcing heterosexuality, and really has nothing to do with the question.  It's also completely wrong, which I'll go into in a PM to avoid derailing the thread.
 

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To sum it up: either someone is attracted to slim bodies and their sexuality doesn't discriminate between men and women or they fetishize the concepts behind a feminine man.  That's why some people like feminine men.