War Scythe Doesn't doesn't give all it's stats

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I was trying to see how to raise my crit chance to max for my black mage and I came across, on the wiki, the war scythe being the best crit catalyst alongside the control rod, I grab the Hornet Ring, have a 17 cunning but notice my crit is only 32, take off both the crit items, 17, put on the hornet ring, 32, put on the war scythe, 32, take off the Hornet ring just in case for some reason their crits don't stack, back down to 17, wonder if any of the stats work for the War scythe, check each stat, come to find out it gives it's stated armor pen, spellpower, and evasion, but not the accuracy debuff nor the crit chance, gonna post this in the hopes one of the devs shares my love for crit and fixes the code for it
 

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TheShepard256

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It may be the case that the crit chance displayed in your stats screen is the crit chance that applies to all attacks, and since the War Scythe's crit chance only applies to attacks made with the Scythe, it's not reflected in that screen. Some other stats (e.g. accuracy) work the same way; if they're on a weapon, they only apply to attacks made with that weapon (and spells, if the weapon has the Catalyst tag).
 
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I would agree with you if only the War Scythe wasn't a melee weapon AND a catalyst, meaning that it's bonuses should apply for melee attacks, melee skills, and magic spells, and since it obviously can't be used with ranged skills that doesn't apply, plus 3 out of 5 of it's stats ARE reflected in the stats page which then asks why isn't all 5 reflected in the stats page, I don't think it's accuracy debuff and crit chance buff shouldn't show up with the other stats it boosts
 

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I would agree with you if only the War Scythe wasn't a melee weapon AND a catalyst, meaning that it's bonuses should apply for melee attacks, melee skills, and magic spells, and since it obviously can't be used with ranged skills that doesn't apply, plus 3 out of 5 of it's stats ARE reflected in the stats page which then asks why isn't all 5 reflected in the stats page, I don't think it's accuracy debuff and crit chance buff shouldn't show up with the other stats it boosts
acc. and crit. from a weapon apply on weapon attacks. even if it's a catalyst there are still several non-magical special attacks that do not use the weapon. (i.e, tackle, lightning fist, acid flask, exertion)
 
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I mean, you're right that some attacks in the game don't make use of the primary or secondary weapons of the characters, both PC and NPC, and so you're probably right that the weapon stats of crit and accuracy work where applicable, but then my question in the second post still remains, why are some of the stats added to the totals at all, such as armor pen in the scythe, but then not others, why not have a little note to the side in parenthesis describing which stats are increased by the weapon so that it can be understood which stats might not apply to skills without a weapon used, such as "Crit: 42 (+15)"