Useless Spacesuits?

[JVR]

Does anyone know why it isn't possible to use any spacesuit other than the Pirate Spacesuit for the spacewalk in Zheng Shi? There are other spacesuits available, but none of them can be used. Why bother to include any other spacesuits in the game if they're all useless in space?

 

[Preacher]

While most that you might be thinking of may be airtight I don't think they're actually designed for the vacuum of space, rather they're more built with a function to counter poisonous gas or pheromone than zero pressure, radiation, and extreme cold and heat disparities. Not to mention the threat of micro-meteorites or space debris that might as well be bullets.

It's like tools. You can have many tools who each have their use and fulfill a specific function very well, or you could have one multi-tool that has many uses but doesn't really do the best in any of them. Personally I'd rather use a suit specifically designed for space than a suit that one might be able to fulfill the same role and carries a risk of failing.

 

[Evil]

Because then it would be too easy.

But also because there's literally one spacewalk area in the game, at a point where various Steeles will not be wearing spacesuits as standard. Because it turns out spacesuits aren't exactly great protection against bullets and lasers. And because most of the equipment Steele finds is hapazdardly put together by backwoods engineers or is so old that every perishable piece of material in there has become useless.

 

[JVR]

Because then it would be too easy.
And because most of the equipment Steele finds is hapazdardly put together by backwoods engineers or is so old that every perishable piece of material in there has become useless.

The Armstrong Space Suit doesn't sound all that haphazard from its description. It can be bought in Gildenmere, but not actually used as a spacesuit. My point is, other spacesuits shouldn't be offered or billed as such if they're not actually usable in space.

 

[Evil]

Then think of it like this - Why is it in some games that you need to find a specific key to open a wooden door when you could easily take a hatchet and chop it to pieces? Or stick some explosives on it and blow it into matchsticks?

The Armstrong Space Suit doesn't sound all that haphazard from its description. It can be bought in Gildenmere, but not actually used as a spacesuit. My point is, other spacesuits shouldn't be offered or billed as such if they're not actually usable in space.

Also, read the description of the Premium Armstrong suit:
The Premium Armstrong Suit is a white outfit made of fabric that is latex-tight, yet silky smooth against the skin. The suit itself leaves little to the imagination, with holes designed to leave your ass, chest and groin free for easy access. Regardless, you probably shouldn’t wear this anywhere you can’t walk around naked. As an added bonus, special microbots within the fabric help to enhance your shields.

That doesn't seem space-worthy to me.

 

[JVR]

I said the Armstrong Space Suit, not the Armstrong Premium Suit. See these descriptions:

The Azure Armstrong Space Suit is a blue outfit with an apparatus on the top that creates a bubble-like force field. The suit itself leaves little to the imagination, with its skin-tight, ultra-stretchy fabric, designed to both accentuate your form and act as a barrier from the elements. On the back sits a medium pack that creates a breathable environment and houses proprietary defense box technology. The Azure version bolsters existing shields against certain temperature-based phenomena.

The Ultraviolet Armstrong Space Suit is a purple outfit with an apparatus on the top that creates a bubble-like force field. The suit itself leaves little to the imagination, with its skin-tight, ultra-stretchy fabric, designed to both accentuate your form and act as a barrier from the elements. On the back sits a medium-sized pack that creates a breathable environment and houses proprietary defense box technology. The UltraViolet version bolsters existing shields against certain energy-based phenomena.

 

[Evil]

Note that neither actually says they are usable in space, but "act as a barrier from the elements". Nothing about it being protective against radiation or a hard vacuum. The person who sells them is into the 1950s sci-fi aesthetic, which probably looks like this but sexier:

Something to remember as well is that TiTS has a tiered system to the equipment that you come across in the game. Because we've gotten the fourth probe, we're getting out of early tier and into mid tier levels of equipment. If this were a fantasy game, we've gone from Iron and Steel(e...heh), to Dwarven and Elven metal. The idea is that, yeah, some of the general gear is crap at this stage and most of the stuff you find is either a cobbled together piece of kit or serving in a manner not intended, let Roz's Ramshackle Power Armour - theoretically because its powered armour, you could go for a space walk, but you'd be doing so in a suit not guaranteed to be protective against space.

 

[JVR]

Even if I accept that fanon explanation, they shouldn't be on the gear lists as airtight space suits, if they are nothing of the kind.

 

[Theron]

What baffles/annoys me: they try to excuse requiring the Pirate Spacesuit specifically as those other suits not having 'magnetic boots', if you read the narration when boarding Saendra's ship during her quest, you already have a functional space suit with magnetic boots. But only during cutscenes, apparently.

 

[JVR]

What baffles/annoys me: they try to excuse requiring the Pirate Spacesuit specifically as those other suits not having 'magnetic boots', if you read the narration when boarding Saendra's ship during her quest, you already have a functional space suit with magnetic boots. But only during cutscenes, apparently.

Exactly! How is this not just standard spaceship gear?

 

[Theron]

It is, until it isn't. There isn't a forum for plot holes or logical inconsistencies.

I'd have gone for the Pirate Spacesuit having a Pirate IFF so you don't get shot by the outside guns, but then you don't have the boss fight, and might make redundant/invalidate the Rodenian Mechanic's RFID tag. Actually, make Spacewalking possible with any Spacesuit and make the Pirate Spacesuit bypass the boss fight. That way, either you fight/encounter Overseer Maike for the helmet, the Excavation Robot (any other Spacesuit) or Agrosh (Sneak in with the slaves) depending on the route taken.

 

[null_blank]

lol you don't even have to do the spacewalk. It's all optional.

 

[JVR]

It is, until it isn't. There isn't a forum for plot holes or logical inconsistencies.
I'd have gone for the Pirate Spacesuit having a Pirate IFF so you don't get shot by the outside guns, but then you don't have the boss fight, and might make redundant/invalidate the Rodenian Mechanic's RFID tag. Actually, make Spacewalking possible with any Spacesuit and make the Pirate Spacesuit bypass the boss fight. That way, either you fight/encounter Overseer Maike for the helmet, the Excavation Robot (any other Spacesuit) or Agrosh (Sneak in with the slaves) depending on the route taken.

There you go - I like this idea. That would be much better.

 

[Thebiologist]

Everyone forgets there is a literal spacesuit in game. You can get it on Tarkus. The same kind the crew of the Nova used.

 

[Alyeska]

A posability, the raider space suit you find has more endurance than the norm, thus alowing you the time needed to walk over and fix the elevator.
Also, a simple fix for a lot of the issues, add a little tag line in the desc, 'Not rated for vacum.'
As for the name 'space suit' any suit worn when one is in space is a 'space suit' You buy a set of panties and a bra for wear when flying around in your space ship, is technicly a 'space suit' Specialy when it comes to advertisers

 

[Thebiologist]

The worst thing is that there several mentions of you having fully funcional spacewalk worthy EVA gear in your ship. Which kinda makes sense.

 

[Alyeska]

The worst thing is that there several mentions of you having fully funcional spacewalk worthy EVA gear in your ship. Which kinda makes sense.

Thats totaly true as well, I was just trying to come up with potential reasons why you had to use that specific one, and why most of the ones you find are not usable for the spacewalk. Though to be fair, the 'special id chip' thing does sound like the most viable one for a working reason.

 

[Violent_Peace]

You know, this all could be easily handwaved, if you just had the Armstrong suits be labled. Costumes, instead of AIRTIGHT.

And plus if nova learns to be air tight, then she could be considered a space suit. Joke obviously. But I don't think we need air tight as a flag if it's not gonna be used.

 

[Theron]

Airtight is a flag that makes you immune to certain attack types (mostly Lust attacks). You'd think such armors would also have an internal air supply by default, but they might just have a really good filtration system instead.

Atma Armor Mk. 1, Ancient Space Suit, Armstrong Space Suit (Azure), Armstrong Space Suit (Ultraviolet), Pirate Spacesuit and Jumper Spacesuit are all Airtight. Oddly, the Armstrong Space Suit (Premium) is not.

The Armstrong Space Suit (Utraviolet and Azure) both explicitly have a means of storing/generating breathable air, while the others do not.

The Pirate Spacesuit itself makes no mention of 'magnetic boots', we only know it has them from the description that pops up when Steele is wearing an Airtight armor that isn't the One True Solution to this 'puzzle'.