Sorry but how the actual fuck is the new bossfight supposed to be possible.

[arch99]

Title. He one-turn-kills me and my entire party before I get a turn. Sometimes I live with about 15 hp, meaning that I get one turn to drop the debuff effect for reforming the sword, then I die anyway. This shit is utterly impossible with my build at the very least, which is a maxed out tank build.

Edit: okay. I have now beat it in 1 try out of 20, literally, and it cost my Kaelirra's tears. That's not a reasonably balanced amount of damage. I'll try with full pre-buffs with the things that max toughness and willpower and see if it's possible to beat without using my tears.

Edit2: basically you get extremely screwed if you don't bring the right party member and it's an extremely free fight if you do. Not a fan of that design, to be quite honest.

 

[arch99]

Okay, one try out of 8 I managed to beat it without using my tears, with full pre-buffs in the form of both of the alcohols that give a teamwide buff, and only because I got a really good initiative roll and got to go first. This fight just isn't very interesting, it's scaled way way way too hard. Maybe a DPS character would have an easier time of it, but it's not fun at all, it's just obscenely difficult. This fight feels like it's intended for a level 7 or 8 character, so I guess it's future-proofed, but I do not like this as a mechanic.

Edit: and the fact that it changes your equipment around just means that your existing skills might not get you any value. My shielded stance does nothing if you automatically unequip my fucking shield. It just feels like bad design that punishes you for having any build that isn't melee DPS and can take the biggest advantage of having the sword. As a leadership-maxed tank build the fight is nearly-impossible.

 

[Savin]

I would suggest reading and following up on events before the boss more closely. There is an INCREDIBLY HARD version of the boss and an INCREDIBLY EASY version you can access instead by following hints, and I suspect you got the former.

 

[arch99]

I would suggest reading and following up on events before the boss more closely. There is an INCREDIBLY HARD version of the boss and an INCREDIBLY EASY version you can access instead by following hints, and I suspect you got the former.

Wait, what hints did I miss on? I got all fragments of the sword and accused the right person the first try. I read through all the panels of text carefully, cause I actually like exploring this game's writing and story. What part am I missing out on?

Specific methodology below:

Spoiler: Spoilers for the quest obviously

I started the event, got the piece from the garden beforehand, talked to the 3 elves, went down and checked the genealogy, immediately caught that the baron was calling himself a count and probably the suspicious one, talked to him at the painting, got the shard from the book, got the shard from the little girl by giving her cake, checked the other painting, talked to the paladin, she gets murdered, went north and opened the FABLE wordlock chest, that's the 5th fragment if you count the one you get by the paladin getting murdered, went back and talked to everyone, count said some more suspicious shit, so I accuse him, and the fight starts. There was never an option to do anything else?

Edit: spoiler for what the missing piece of the puzzle is

Spoiler: Spoiler

You have to bring Atui along with you to the event. I didn't want to because I wanted Ryn along, because the story is related to her, and I wanted Cait along, because I hate doing fights without healers in this game, but she mega nerfs the boss just by being there. I assumed that it would either softlock the game to not bring her or just not let me progress without her if she was necessary, after bringing her to Lumia, but the game just punishes you for not having her. I think it would make more sense to do this bit like The Winter City dungeon and have her added to your party regardless or something? I just wanted Ryn and Cait along with me and assumed it wouldn't cause issues.

 

[Savin]

Spoiler

The Sword makes the fight easier. Tui makes the fight EXTREMELY easy. It's your choice not to bring her, and the fight's perfectly doable without (I did it on Dark Difficulty) but you are making things much harder for yourself. You certainly don't need a healer if she's in the party for the event.

 

[arch99]

Spoiler

The Sword makes the fight easier. Tui makes the fight EXTREMELY easy. It's your choice not to bring her, and the fight's perfectly doable without (I did it on Dark Difficulty) but you are making things much harder for yourself. You certainly don't need a healer if she's in the party for the event.

Spoiler

I certainly agree you don't need a healer, having tried it that way now, but there was not really a way to know how much she'd trivialize it. I really feel like she should be required to do the event, story-wise, considering the lore of how she can help, and considering that the game just punishes you extremely hard for not having her. And yes, I can, with full pre-buffs, beat the fight without using a kaelirra's tears without her... a very very small percent of the time, which is just frustrating. I don't think it's engaging design for her to be effectively required for the event but not to actually require her for the event.

 

[SmithEK]

Or just do it on story mode..

 

[WolframL]

Spoiler

I really feel like she should be required to do the event, story-wise, considering the lore of how she can help, and considering that the game just punishes you extremely hard for not having her .

A text-based game that requires you to occasionally read the text to realize the easy solution instead of just handing it to you? Preposterous!

 

[arch99]

Did you read this thread? I literally read all of the text, it was something that happened before the actual event that locked me out, and it's something that we're given no actual context for being necessary to bring to the actual event.

 

[WolframL]

You are literally told 'go find X in Hawkthorne that will help with the fight' during the leadup to the quest and in the Journal entry. You are told how important this is when you come back afterwards with X. If you make the boneheaded decision to completely ignore all the hints that Lumia was giving you and decide not to bring X to the final phase of the quest after all those hints, that's entirely your fault.

 

[JakeFromStateFarm]

Spoiler

The Sword makes the fight easier. Tui makes the fight EXTREMELY easy. It's your choice not to bring her, and the fight's perfectly doable without (I did it on Dark Difficulty) but you are making things much harder for yourself. You certainly don't need a healer if she's in the party for the event.

speaking of new shit, i finished the fight and talked with lumia about etheryn, has any form of release been implemented yet or is it still waiting for more stuff? and speaking of, will we have the option of fully feminizing etheryn or will she stay intersex?

 

[Animefan666]

speaking of new shit, i finished the fight and talked with lumia about etheryn, has any form of release been implemented yet or is it still waiting for more stuff?

You can stay up-to-date by reading the patch notes on the homepage. If it's not on there, it hasn't been implemented.

 

[WolframL]

speaking of new shit, i finished the fight and talked with lumia about etheryn, has any form of release been implemented yet or is it still waiting for more stuff?

Her LumiaQuest-based uncaging is waiting on her RynQuest-based uncaging (ie, the 'proper' way to do it story-wise) because doing it either way would unlock all of that content and not all of it's ready to go yet. We just happened to get the lead-in to the former before the latter.

and speaking of, will we have the option of fully feminizing etheryn or will she stay intersex?

Ryn. Does. Not. Want. A. Vagina. She has been very clear about this. Savin has been very clear about this as well. It's not happening, ever.

 

[SmithEK]

Think Ryn might need a huge flashing sign.. NO VAG 4 RYN.

 

[cloer]

That's why you make babies with Elthara, so she can have children with them later on.

Yeah, I'm getting my bloodline into that throne one way or another. And all the new elven nobility. And probably half of the commoner lines. Either directly or via Valkyrie babies.

I'm fucking the long game... I mean, playing the long fuck.

Ah, you mean what I know.

 

[JakeFromStateFarm]

Her LumiaQuest-based uncaging is waiting on her RynQuest-based uncaging (ie, the 'proper' way to do it story-wise) because doing it either way would unlock all of that content and not all of it's ready to go yet. We just happened to get the lead-in to the former before the latter.

Ryn. Does. Not. Want. A. Vagina. She has been very clear about this. Savin has been very clear about this as well. It's not happening, ever.

hey, i did not know that both in character motivations and creator motivations were aligned in that way. ive been playing the game long enough that when new early game content is released, i skip past the shit i already experienced when i start a new game. so please dont jump down my throat when my intentions were merely to remind myself of shit ive forgotten. if both character and creator dont want a vagina, thats cool with me. if you would be so kind, could you point out to me at what point in their interactions, when does ryn tell the hero they dont want a vagina? also, does she specifically say words along the lines of "i dont want a vagina" or is it implied through subtext? because im not the greatest with subtextual implications. but that's just a me thing.

 

[WolframL]

so please dont jump down my throat when my intentions were merely to remind myself of shit ive forgotten.

It's not so much you as the fact that this topic comes up a lot, so we tend to forget that people sometimes really haven't heard this before even though it feels like we point it out on a roughly monthly basis.

lso, does she specifically say words along the lines of "i dont want a vagina" or is it implied through subtext? because im not the greatest with subtextual implications. but that's just a me thing.

Talk to Ryn about The Cage post-Winter City (this requires having had the conversation about alchemy and then talked with Evergreen about the cage) and this is what she'll say, emphasis added:

"Not like I have much choice in the matter. Evergreen said alchemy and magic won't help. I can't unlock it, I can't get rid of my dick even if I wanted to. Can't grow a vagina, even if I wanted to. I'm just... stuck. But as long as I've got you and my friends... I'll make do. I have to."

Note that she's dismissing both options not only because they won't work but because she doesn't want to do either of those things. You can see examples of Savin confirming that no, Ryn really doesn't want a vagina here, and here is him saying the same thing just a few weeks ago..

 

[JakeFromStateFarm]

It's not so much you as the fact that this topic comes up a lot, so we tend to forget that people sometimes really haven't heard this before even though it feels like we point it out on a roughly monthly basis.

Talk to Ryn about The Cage post-Winter City (this requires having had the conversation about alchemy and then talked with Evergreen about the cage) and this is what she'll say, emphasis added:

Note that she's dismissing both options not only because they won't work but because she doesn't want to do either of those things. You can see examples of Savin confirming that no, Ryn really doesn't want a vagina here, and here is him saying the same thing just a few weeks ago..

thanks. with the way my brain works, i totally missed and glossed over the even if i wanted to bit. im a scan reader, so sometime i miss info in the larger mass of text.