Why so much gratuitous violence?

[Puffy_Princess]

It seems like with every new update the game's story becomes increasingly violent and Black & White.

Is story content like Winter City and Centaur village going to be the norm, with corruption becoming synonymous with cold-blooded murder?

What was the reasoning on deciding to make this game so much darker than its predecessor? It basically goes from "a bunch of bimbo bug girls are filling people's butts with eggs" to " Kasyrra just murdered half of winter city for ?reasons?"

I really enjoy rooting for corruption and hedonism in games like this but with just how Black and White the story is progressing it's starting to really turn me off the story.

 

[Savin]

What was the reasoning on deciding to make this game so much darker than its predecessor?

Ha, that's so blatantly wrong it's not even funny.

 

[Puffy_Princess]

Ha, that's so blatantly wrong it's not even funny.

I don't remember much extreme violence in CoC outside of Lethicite's content. Sand witches werent violent, zetaz wasnt particularly violent, neither of the succubi you encounter were bloodthirsty.

There definitely wasn't a group of rampant centaur going around pillaging and killing shit, or a companion becoming overwhelmed with grief after her entire family is executed.

I just don't understand the point of adding things like that to the story of a sex-based RPG. It's depressing

 

[Zawarado]

I don't remember much extreme violence in CoC outside of Lethicite's content. Sand witches werent violent, zetaz wasnt particularly violent, neither of the succubi you encounter were bloodthirsty.

There definitely wasn't a group of rampant centaur going around pillaging and killing shit, or a companion becoming overwhelmed with grief after her entire family is executed.

I just don't understand the point of adding things like that to the story of a sex-based RPG. It's depressing

Well like..the entire world of Mareth is straight fucked because of the incredibly deep seeded demonic corruption. Literally roving gangs of 20+ demons in the desert that will rape you, tentacle beasts in the lowest level area that'll guaranteed fuck you up, I could go on.

Not to mention I don't think the centaurs are killing people at all. If you experience a bad end with them, you'll end up just being a brood mare for life. Pretty similar situation to lots of bad ends in the game, like the Orc Chieftain making you his slave or Benny impregnating you. So the centaurs are much more interested in slaves and the like, not really killing.

 

[The Observer]

I don't remember much extreme violence in CoC outside of Lethicite's content.

The "best" ending in the original required that you straight-up murder every demon that you came across, Undertale genocide mode. No sparing, no keeping as slaves, straight-up death.

There definitely wasn't a group of rampant centaur going around pillaging and killing shit

The demons ravaging the desert in Phyllia's content, the whole business with Owca, which could get razed to the ground if you so desired. Also, Tel'Adre is the last major city in the world because the demons conquered and razed everything else. Also, there aren't any more open bodies of water in the world except the lake because the demons stole it all to flush out people and Mareth is becoming is miserable desert all over.

or a companion becoming overwhelmed with grief after her entire family is executed.

Amily, who was overwhelmed with grief after her entire race is eradicated by demons and lives in the ruins of her home.

I just don't understand the point of adding things like that to the story of a sex-based RPG. It's depressing

Just because something is about sex doesn't necessarily mean it has to shy away from such themes and questions. When viewed from a different angle, it highlights the presence and importance of passion and love, and ultimately, hope, even amidst such a depressing and stifling atmosphere.

 

[Wsan]

We get a lot of nostalgia-posts about how CoC1 was better but this one's a totally new angle, I have to admit.

 

[KAZEARC]

We get a lot of nostalgia-posts about how CoC1 was better but this one's a totally new angle, I have to admit.

the solo thing i go back to coc1 for is urta and the futa content. aside for minor things like every good option for a corrupted pc or kas lover is a bad end. i pretty sure that no both games they say or did say that they are dark fantasy games so when i see dark fantasy i think rape or murder and other then killing the centaur dude and some backsorry shit there is none not even that much on the rape side other the cultis or anything that kas is involved with and for other things on the rapey side. harpies have a need to fuck so they can lay and the orcs do it co they are horny or bored. the darkest person in coc is tollus.

 

[Balaknightfang]

companion becoming overwhelmed with grief after her entire family is executed.

I'm sorry what the fuck?

 

[Savin]

a companion becoming overwhelmed with grief after her entire family is executed

When does that happen?

 

[TrustworthyTraitor]

When does that happen?

In a woooorld of pure imaginatioon... at 6 pm

 

[Salomon]

I believe that the main differences are the stage of corruption in which the world is and the way the PC relates to the world! Corruption is like a disease that spreads across the dimensions of the multiverse and consumes the worlds!
In CoC1, the champion is literally thrown into a world already ravaged by demons, a world where Lethice was just a few steps away from reaching her nefarious goals, and the missing piece for her victory or defeat would be the Champion herself. In this contest, Mareth would be a terminally ill patient, the Champion would be like a medicine that could totally cure him or make it worse!
In CoC2, we have a world still "virginal" in the words of Kasyrra itself, and Campeao is now a native of Savarra with all the reasons to prevent the loudly proclaimed Demon Queen. This time we are seeing what could have been the initial stages of the fall of Mareth, with the corruption spreading and changing the nature itself (as we saw in the clearing of the Old Forest). Now we have a chance to make a difference and prevent this tragedy before it's too late, saving billions of souls and preventing history like those of Urta, Kiha, Arian, Loppe, Vala, Valeria, Jojo or Amily from repeating. Or speed up the process and plunge headlong into corruption.
It is clear that this time the concepts would be much more catastrophic, since while Mareth was a pocket world isolated from the other dimensions, with most portals being one-way streets, Savarra is a world in full right in the FPM (Fenoxo Pornographic Multiverse™), which means she can travel to other dimensions through the portals!

In short, corruption is a disease, Mareth was patient zero, Savarra was the first to be infected, and if the disease is not contained, it will spread throughout the Multiverse!

 

[Tide Hunter]

When does that happen?

I think that Puffy was talking about the end of the Winter City thing? I'm not sure how they came to the conclusion that "Kasyrra just murdered half of winter city" or that Etheryn's "entire family is executed." I assume they played through and saw the part where Kassyra and her dragons kidnap all of the Winter City's nobility inside of that palace room, and they may have assumed that 1: Etheryn had several family members aside from her sister, and all were amongst the kidnapped nobility, 2: the nobility were somehow half of the entire city's population, and 3: the nobility got killed off, even though I'm fairly certain it was said that they were all just captured for experimentation with corruption and demonification.

 

[Evil]

CoC1 was murdering all over the place. Hell, getting rid of one potential camp companion involved setting her on fire. Bimbo Sophie is chemically lobotomised (okay, not that extreme but you are altering her mind to make her your sex slave). I could go on, but its just going to get bloody.

Kasyrra's corruption, its like cancer or gangrene, if it takes hold, its going to spread and make things worse. And unfortunately, the treatment of cancer or gangrene is the excision of the infected tissue, you have to lose the limb to save the body.

But yeah, CoC1 was a lot bloodier than CoC2 has been.

 

[Zawarado]

CoC1 was murdering all over the place. Hell, getting rid of one potential camp companion involved setting her on fire. Bimbo Sophie is chemically lobotomised (okay, not that extreme but you are altering her mind to make her your sex slave). I could go on, but its just going to get bloody.

Kasyrra's corruption, its like cancer or gangrene, if it takes hold, its going to spread and make things worse. And unfortunately, the treatment of cancer or gangrene is the excision of the infected tissue, you have to lose the limb to save the body.

But yeah, CoC1 was a lot bloodier than CoC2 has been.

Man the way you describe what Kas is doing to the world makes me even more eager to save it. The storytelling and writing of Coc2 is also just so much better than before, I can really see how much better everyone has gotten even just from a conceptual phase. Lecite wasn't that good of a villain in Coc1 compared to Kas despite all the horrible stuff she allowed to happen because we literally didn't see her till endgame. We have developed a relationship with Kas since the very get go, and we explore a world that isn't really all that Corrupt, which really helps endear us to it and our aspirations for saving it.

 

[Shizenhakai]

I think a good chunk of the dissonance comes from the kind of violence.
All to often we see murder (in media) as the worst kind of evil and violence,
but a good quantity of things that happened in CoC1 where actually fates worse than death.

When you bimbofy Sophia, you kill her. And then use her body as a toy and insert another personality inside.
When you rape the Kangaroo-girl, she begs you to not corrupt her and when she succumbs to the taint, she completly and utterly changes.

Death was not forefront in CoC1, but what did happen to people caught was absolutly horrific.
We just did not think too deeply about the implications. It is a sex game, so everyone actually loves sex and they are not killed after all..
Somehow it is easy to overlook the violence if you do not see blood.

But, I fear our answers did disappoint or disgusted Puffy_Princess already, since she hasn't logged in since the 5th, jsut 3 days after she joined.
Which I find kinda sad.

 

[Mad Dog]

I don't know about you guys, but I kinda like killing things in these Fen & Sav games.

 

[Shizenhakai]

If you kill, just remember to redeem yourself by bringing life in an equal measure..

 

[Salomon]

If you kill, just remember to redeem yourself by bringing life in an equal measure..

Alchemy; the science of understanding the structure of matter, breaking it down, then reconstructing it as something else. It can even make gold from lead. But alchemy is a science, so it must follow the natural laws: To create, something of equal value must be lost. This is the principle of Equivalent Exchange. But on that night, I learned the value of some things can't be measured on a simple scale. My brother and I knew the laws of science, of Equivalent Exchange, that gain required sacrifice, that something had to be taken from us. But we thought there was nothing more we could lose, we were wrong… ~ Edward Elric